http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/19/technology/19soft.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., Oct. 16 — For more than two decades, Microsoft’s software and Intel’s processors were so wedded that the pairing came to be known as Wintel. But as that computing era wanes, Microsoft is turning to a new source of chip design: its own labs.
The design effort will initially be split between research labs at the company’s headquarters in Redmond, Wash., and its Silicon Valley campus here. Tentatively named the Computer Architecture Group, the project underscores sweeping changes in the industry.
One reason for the effort is that Microsoft needs to begin thinking about the next-generation design of its Xbox game console, said Charles P. Thacker, a veteran engineer and Microsoft engineer who will head the Silicon Valley group. Voice recognition may also be an area where the research could play a significant role.
“Voice is big,” Mr. Thacker said. “You can throw as much technology at it as you want to.”
Microsoft is exploring hardware design now in part because of a new set of tools that will make it possible to test ideas quickly, he said. The researchers will employ a system designed by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, that makes it possible to reconfigure computer designs without the cost of making finished chips.
“We are at an inflection point in the industry,” he said. “Our friends say computers are not going to get faster, we’re just going to get more of them.”
As shrinking transistor sizes make it possible for designers to put multiple processors on a single chip, and computing functions are increasingly hidden in consumer devices, Microsoft faces new challenges and opportunities.
In recent years, the computing model centered on the desktop PC has increasingly given way to new, more specialized markets like video games and cellphones. As Microsoft has moved to enter these markets, it has increasingly designed hardware, software and packaging that are made by independent contractors but marketed under the Microsoft or Windows brand.
At the same time, new coalitions have emerged, like Apple’s decision to use Intel microprocessors, or Microsoft’s switch two years ago from Intel chips to PowerPC microprocessors designed and manufactured by I.B.M. in its Xbox system.
The explosion of chips with an increasing number of “cores,” or multiple processors, is bringing parallel computing — the ability to divide tasks for faster processing — into the consumer electronics market. That could give companies like Microsoft a competitive advantage by controlling both hardware and software and the way they interact.
“This is a historic time in the computer industry,” said David A. Patterson, a computer scientist at the University of California, Berkeley. “We’re in the middle of a revolutionary change toward parallel computing that will absolutely involve both hardware and software.”
Mr. Thacker, 63, has been at the forefront of technology advances in the past, having been part of the group at Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center that designed the Alto, the first modern personal computer, and the Ethernet office network during the 1970’s.
He said computer designers were increasingly able to do on a single chip what previously took an entire computing system.
“There is a wheel of reincarnation” in the industry, he said.
After working at Xerox, Mr. Thacker joined a Digital Equipment Corporation research laboratory where he led the design of an experimental computer called Firefly, a model for some ideas just now being commercialized in single-chip designs.
He joined Microsoft in 1999 to help design the tablet computer based on ideas he had helped pioneer at Xerox in the 1970’s in the form of an experimental notebook computer called the Dynabook. Several companies now make commercial products based on that design, and Mr. Thacker said Microsoft was working on a smaller education-oriented version that was not yet public.
More recently he has moved back and forth between research and the product development side of the company, as his expertise is needed. Several years ago he did a stint working on the current Microsoft game console, Xbox 360, when a key engineer on the project became ill.
In the chip design effort, another longtime Microsoft researcher, Rich P. Draves, who has worked in various areas including networking and security, will head the Redmond group.
Whether and how the project might affect Microsoft’s continuing relationship with Intel is not clear.
Mr. Thacker acknowledged that despite vast increases in computer power, ease of use still confounded computer designers.
“It’s pretty hard for a geek to internalize the experience of an ordinary user,” he said, noting that his wife still avoids computers.
Progress will be made there, too, he insisted.
“Like everything that Microsoft gets into, we’re in it for the long run,” he said.
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마이크로 소프트가 직접 cpu 개발에 착수했다는 기사입니다.
차차세대 콘솔 즉, xbox720 에 써먹을려고 만드는것 같습니다.
ibm cpu 가 별로 맘에 안들었나 봅니다.
출처: 뉴욕 타임즈
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., Oct. 16 — For more than two decades, Microsoft’s software and Intel’s processors were so wedded that the pairing came to be known as Wintel. But as that computing era wanes, Microsoft is turning to a new source of chip design: its own labs.
The design effort will initially be split between research labs at the company’s headquarters in Redmond, Wash., and its Silicon Valley campus here. Tentatively named the Computer Architecture Group, the project underscores sweeping changes in the industry.
One reason for the effort is that Microsoft needs to begin thinking about the next-generation design of its Xbox game console, said Charles P. Thacker, a veteran engineer and Microsoft engineer who will head the Silicon Valley group. Voice recognition may also be an area where the research could play a significant role.
“Voice is big,” Mr. Thacker said. “You can throw as much technology at it as you want to.”
Microsoft is exploring hardware design now in part because of a new set of tools that will make it possible to test ideas quickly, he said. The researchers will employ a system designed by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley, that makes it possible to reconfigure computer designs without the cost of making finished chips.
“We are at an inflection point in the industry,” he said. “Our friends say computers are not going to get faster, we’re just going to get more of them.”
As shrinking transistor sizes make it possible for designers to put multiple processors on a single chip, and computing functions are increasingly hidden in consumer devices, Microsoft faces new challenges and opportunities.
In recent years, the computing model centered on the desktop PC has increasingly given way to new, more specialized markets like video games and cellphones. As Microsoft has moved to enter these markets, it has increasingly designed hardware, software and packaging that are made by independent contractors but marketed under the Microsoft or Windows brand.
At the same time, new coalitions have emerged, like Apple’s decision to use Intel microprocessors, or Microsoft’s switch two years ago from Intel chips to PowerPC microprocessors designed and manufactured by I.B.M. in its Xbox system.
The explosion of chips with an increasing number of “cores,” or multiple processors, is bringing parallel computing — the ability to divide tasks for faster processing — into the consumer electronics market. That could give companies like Microsoft a competitive advantage by controlling both hardware and software and the way they interact.
“This is a historic time in the computer industry,” said David A. Patterson, a computer scientist at the University of California, Berkeley. “We’re in the middle of a revolutionary change toward parallel computing that will absolutely involve both hardware and software.”
Mr. Thacker, 63, has been at the forefront of technology advances in the past, having been part of the group at Xerox’s Palo Alto Research Center that designed the Alto, the first modern personal computer, and the Ethernet office network during the 1970’s.
He said computer designers were increasingly able to do on a single chip what previously took an entire computing system.
“There is a wheel of reincarnation” in the industry, he said.
After working at Xerox, Mr. Thacker joined a Digital Equipment Corporation research laboratory where he led the design of an experimental computer called Firefly, a model for some ideas just now being commercialized in single-chip designs.
He joined Microsoft in 1999 to help design the tablet computer based on ideas he had helped pioneer at Xerox in the 1970’s in the form of an experimental notebook computer called the Dynabook. Several companies now make commercial products based on that design, and Mr. Thacker said Microsoft was working on a smaller education-oriented version that was not yet public.
More recently he has moved back and forth between research and the product development side of the company, as his expertise is needed. Several years ago he did a stint working on the current Microsoft game console, Xbox 360, when a key engineer on the project became ill.
In the chip design effort, another longtime Microsoft researcher, Rich P. Draves, who has worked in various areas including networking and security, will head the Redmond group.
Whether and how the project might affect Microsoft’s continuing relationship with Intel is not clear.
Mr. Thacker acknowledged that despite vast increases in computer power, ease of use still confounded computer designers.
“It’s pretty hard for a geek to internalize the experience of an ordinary user,” he said, noting that his wife still avoids computers.
Progress will be made there, too, he insisted.
“Like everything that Microsoft gets into, we’re in it for the long run,” he said.
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마이크로 소프트가 직접 cpu 개발에 착수했다는 기사입니다.
차차세대 콘솔 즉, xbox720 에 써먹을려고 만드는것 같습니다.
ibm cpu 가 별로 맘에 안들었나 봅니다.
출처: 뉴욕 타임즈
헐 이젠 두바퀴
저도 파코즈에서 이기사보고 딱~!! 떠오르는게 차세대엑박이 생각나더군요
나온지 1년바께안됐는데 벌써 착수..역시 마소..ㅋㅋ대단해
.....
설마, 정말로 차세대 삼돌이 명칭을 엑박720도로 써먹을 건가...(뭔가 추해)
차세대 명칭을 720으로 하겠다는 말은 없는것 같은데요..--;
하지만 램은 삼성의 50나노 공정의 D램...
대충 2009년 클스마스쯤에 나와줘라. 이번 차세대기들은 웬지 2년 정도면 피씨에 글픽 넘 딸릴거 같으니 댈수잇으면 빨리발매해줘.
제목만 보고 내용은 안보는 바보..ㅋㅋ
콘솔주기를 앞당겨서 다른 게임기 수명도 덩달아줄여버리는 마소의 전략... 돈지랄 앞에 장사없다.
저놈으로 돌릴 게임 글픽... 상상만해도 소름이 =_=;;;
콘솔주기 줄이지마라..난 아직도 플스2,엑박도 즐긴단 말이다...기술의 진보는 좋지만, 제발 소비자들 한 게임기 갖고 오래 우려먹을 수 있게 해라...최소 5년은..
이제 머리 카락 한올 한올 가능 하려나..
몇바퀴까지 돌려나..
다음 차세대기에서는 dx10을 완벽지원할테니.. 09년 말쯤에 나와주면 완전소중하겠군요
빨리 개발하면 좋은거죠. 급조해서 불량제품 만들지도 않고요.
마소가 자체적으로 칩 제작 능력이 있는지 모르겠음..
구 엑박은 엑박180이었나.. 이제 구 엑박은 반돌이라고 합시다
엑박360 차세데기 이름은 엑박361 입니다.
엑박 서른마흔섯바퀴 발매 임박! 릿지레이서 46 동시발매 결정!! 데빌메이크라이35, 바이오 하자드 33 연내 출시 기어오브워 29, 헤일로 40 은 엑박서른마흔다섯바퀴 독점발매!! 파이널판타지 68 은 메뉴얼 한글화만... 위닝 2055, 피파 2055의 끝나지 않은 전쟁!! 징글징글하군요...ㅋㅋ 설마 이렇게 되지은 않겠죠??
더블X BOX360 XXBOX360
이젠 게임기도 컴터되나..나온지 얼마나됐따고 벌써 ㅡㅡ;;사기 무섭네..적어도 5년이상은 놀게해다오..
지금개발착수하면... 2010년은 되야 윤곽이 나올것 같은데... cpu 다이위에 코어10개 그래픽코어2개 물리연산코어2개 메모리컨트롤러 다 박아버리는건 아닌지...
모루죠... 빌케이츠 죽이면 빌케이츠로 바뀔지 ㅡㅡ;;; 빌게이츠365 <-1년ㅋㅋㅋ
니코틴제로/ 서른이면 서른이고 마흔이면 마흔이지 서른마흔다섯은 뭔 꼰뇽아들이세는단위인가요?ㄲㄲㄲㄲㄲ
ㅋㅋㅋ
덜덜덜...
무서워 마소..살살해
마소역시..돈으로 상대한다.ㅋ 대단하다. 만약 마소가 몇년뒤 새콘솔이 나온다면,,소니도 새콘솔을 만들어야하는 압박이 있겠네요..
미리 개발하면 안돼나효? 지금 개발하면 3년내에 나올꺼라 생각??
엑박720, 엑박360Ⅱ, 더블엑박360, 엑박∞(무한대) 엑박720, 엑박360Ⅱ, 더블엑박360, 엑박∞(무한대) 엑박720, 엑박360Ⅱ, 더블엑박360, 엑박∞(무한대) 엑박720, 엑박360Ⅱ, 더블엑박360, 엑박∞(무한대)
숫자 돌림이라니OTL 정말 북미센스 무식하기 그지없어요!
eg4
ㅇ _ㅇ?? ㅇㅅㅇ? ㅇ.ㅇ+ ;ㅅ;
본문은 읽지도 않고 뭐가 720이야... 제목은 퍼온놈이 지어낸거구만...
720은 가제이겠죠.
ㅎㅎ 내용은 파악하시고 올리신건지?
북미센스는 무식한거였어!!
원도에 특화된 cpu나올라나?
지금은 삼돌이 한테나 집중하지...벌써부터..--
ㅎㅎㅎ
이거이거 또 나오면 또한번 게임계의 그래픽혁명과함께 멋진 비디오게임열풍이 또한번 일어나겟는걸요 어서어서 나와라 2008년중순이나 2009년초쯤에 나와라!
09년에 나오는것도 좀 너무 이르지 않을려나;;; 한 2010쯤 나오는게 왠지 더 낳을거 같은뎅;;
너무 빨리 나와도 별론데...;; 적어도.. 5년정도에 한번이...;;
개인적으로 엑스박스 리미티드란 이름이 어울릴것 같네요.
360구입한지 얼마되지도 않았는데 벌써 다음버전 만들고 있다는 기사를 보니 기분이 우울하구나~
엑스박스 인피니티..라는 식으로 나오려나.(....) 나올거면 2008년 11월경에나 나와라.
2009년 말에나 나와야죠.. 넘 빨리 교체하는건 좀;;
xbox360 도 2002년도부터 차세대 프로젝트 작업을 ati와 시작했더군요.. 09~2010년이면 나오겠죠..
영화 아일랜드 보니까...가상격투신에서 뒤에 XBOX365라고 쓰여 있더군요.. 혹시 차세대기 이름이 아닐까요? 흐흐
위에 마소가 개발한다는 내용이 있는지? 까막눈이라서... 옛날 이야기 써놓은거 같은뎅...
MS 의 능력정도면 충분히 개발하고도 남지요. 언제쯤 나올런지는 모르겠지만 정말 기대됩니다. 그리고 향후 최소 2 년은 나올일이 없어보이니 걱정 안하셔도 될거같습니다.
개발착수야 그럴 능력만 된다면 일찍부터 하는게 좋죠... 5년동안 개발한것과 2,3년동안 개발한것의 차이는 상당히 클것이니... 마소는 그럴 능력이 충분히 되기때문에 하는거고...
2010년 넘어서 나와라.
벌써부터 한다고 2010년 이전에 나올거 같지는 않은데... os 만드는거 처럼 미리 2-3개 앞에꺼는 계획 세워두고 하는건가..
xbox∞에 한표.. 엑박 메뷔우스라..어감은 좋네요 ^^
이런 기사 보면 하이엔드 PC 유저들 기분 별로 않 좋겠죠? 제 개인적인 생각이지만 DX10에 관한 모든 기술들이 게임에서 완전 활용이 되서 가동이 되기까지는 2년이란 시간이 필요하다고 봅니다.ATI R700이나 G90시리즈에서는 DX10.1이 사용이 된다니 DX10이란 것도 완벽하게 제대로 지원이 될라면 아직도 갈길이 멀다는 것이죠. 제일 중요한 건 새롭게 나올 하드웨어가 아무리 많이 나와도 제대로 된 게임이 얼마 되지도 않고 그런 모든 기술들을 활용해서 게임 개발하는 회사도 얼마 없기 때문에 비싼 돈 주고 업그레이드 해도 후회만 남게 되죠. 솔직히 톡 까놓고 콘솔이 3년주기로 나오면 하이엔드 PC 성능 가격대비에서 완전히 눌러버립니다.PC같은 경우 게임만을 한다는 가정하에 생각해 본다면 하드웨어들의 성능이 지나치게 높습니다.필요 이상으로 게임이외에 성능이 들어가 있다는 것이죠.물론 콘솔보다 더 높은 해상도나 많은 옵션을 걸어줄 수 있다는 장점은 있지만 그 차이는 돈 들이는 것에 비해 별로 메리트는 없다고 봅니다. 철 지난 게임 더 높은 해상도에서 돌린들 게임이 재미있어 지지는 않으니까요. 콘솔이 최고입니다.제 개인적인 바램은 3년주기로 나와주었으면 좋겠는데 이건 힘들겠죠? 그래픽카드,CPU,RAM.... 생각할 게 너무 많네요.PC는.............................................